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Privacy Vs Normal Users
#1
Will the sale of 'illegal' stuff put people off using OB and make it into a ghetto of 'illegal' stuff?

With the current version, it's not really feasible to sell drugs etc, because your IP is easily traceable. I think users should be able to judge for themselves what is 'good' and 'bad' and make their own decisions without being dictated to by someone else imposing their opinions by force.

However, with the current state of human enlightenment, do you think the opening up of the gates to 'illegal' stuff could cause OB to end up not being used by most people, partly because of the propaganda opportunity version 2 presents to our enemies in the silly money world, and partly just because of people's inability to do rational thought, which could lead them to believe they will be associated with illegality just by using OB, because they are still thinking of it as some kind of organization like Amazon etc?

 Is there some way to have a decentralized 'family safe' filter, done by the users (not just the store owners)? People are used to using curated stores, and if they open OB and are presented something 'offensive' they are likely to blame OB without thinking and not use it anymore.

Could it end up a ghetto like Silk Road?

Any thoughts?
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#2
I am hoping that it doesn't get diluted with tons of illegal sales, I was excited when I first used it and realized the worst thing people were selling was CBD oil which basically cures epilepsy/cancer and other stuff and is non psychoactive, but alas big government intervenes. I was expecting to see another silk-road type service, then realized the I.P. was traceable later which explains it.

I do see that when illegal items go up with the integration of TOR that it is inevitable that they will use it as propaganda against the community/program and try to instill some regulations etc. This is where it will be vitally important to have our OWN market strategy that will be able to counteract their arguments. Having youtube videos and other resources explaining what OB actually is and counteracting their propaganda against us.

We would need to explain to them that OB is basically a virtual worldwide farmers market that is NOT owned by one entity - and that the marketplace shouldn't be responsible for each individual. This would be like Mr. Chong going to the local farmers market and trying to sell some good quality marijuana in a state where it isn't legal. The individual would get in trouble for trying to sell that at the market, they hopefully wouldn't shut down the entire farmers market because of the individual.

By working diligently and promoting real-use scenarios and trying to enlist real business owners and legal goods and services, we can hopefully not get out-saturated by the 'dark' market that will arise.

Making having a family filter like you said would be great, but someone now has to overlook all the items and filter them appropriately. Unless you implement a community voting system where others in the community will tag the inappropriate items and self-govern or self-police themselves.

This could lead to people abusing the system, which is where moderators could step in and another function of a moderator would be to moderate the tagging of the 'NSFW' items, and if someone is wrongly accused of their product being illegal, the moderator could reverse that decision.

These are just ideas and I have thought about how the 'powers at be' could be threatened by such a system and campaign against it once it becomes more widely adopted.
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#3
I am all for free and open market and don't give a rat's ass for what the state deems good or bad (beyond the attention you'd give to any other armed nutcase of course), but there are some real world concerns.

I am mostly concerned that there are two categories of things that might stop widespread uptake of OB.

1. Illegal - I am happily surfing through stores and suddenly up comes a kiddie pron vendor. Now I have kiddie porn on my hard drive! Well, the court will understand when I tell them it was an accident while I was browsing OB, won't they!

2. Offensive stuff. - theres a reason you can't say 7 certain words on TV and public radio. It's because a huuuuge number of people are so offended by them that they will stop watching/listening.  Those same people get offended by a lot of other things, and then there is the whole political correctness crowd, that's another thing.

So my main concern is not the content itself, but wether it will stall the progress of OB.

If everyone has the right to participate in a truly free and open market, Maybe it's important to also consider those who will be excluded by the mere presence of certain others, and try to minimize that effect. This is surely a designer's problem, no-one else can fix it.

It's not just customers either. If I'm selling kids clothes in a street market, I would not set up next to a guy selling graphic gay porn.

I duinno, I just think we need to think about how to cope once people are able to post anonymously.

A solution probably lies in some kind of user created filter, which affects their own OB, as there is now, but that's not enough because then the user would have to see all the offensive sites in order to block them. It can't be voluntary on the part of store owners because the shitty ones won't activate it. But the network can be aware of the filter settings of everyone and provide them to everyone. There's no central judgement in that.

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#4
There will be two primary ways to browse products:

1) Search: requires crawlers and servers, will probably be run by companies or extremely enthusiastic hobbyists.

2) Channels: Curated lists of products seeded by one's own node. Should be easy for average users to make these.

So the questions of will you find illegal goods comes down to:

1) Does your search provider show illegal goods? Probably not unless someone sets up one running as a hidden service.

2) Do you intentionally visit a channel who's owner curates illegal goods. If so, then you'll see them.
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#5
(02-14-2017, 02:57 AM)cpacia Wrote: There will be two primary ways to browse products:

1) Search: requires crawlers and servers, will probably be run by companies or extremely enthusiastic hobbyists.

2) Channels: Curated lists of products seeded by one's own node. Should be easy for average users to make these.

Oh, does that mean the 'discover' button is going away? That would be a shame. A built in search is a really good feature.
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#6
(02-14-2017, 03:03 AM)andy Wrote:
(02-14-2017, 02:57 AM)cpacia Wrote: There will be two primary ways to browse products:

1) Search: requires crawlers and servers, will probably be run by companies or extremely enthusiastic hobbyists.

2) Channels: Curated lists of products seeded by one's own node. Should be easy for average users to make these.

Oh, does that mean the 'discover' button is going away? That would be a shame. A built in search is a really good feature.
The channels will be the new discover button.
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#7
Thanks, it sounds promising.
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(02-14-2017, 02:57 AM)cpacia Wrote: There will be two primary ways to browse products:

1) Search: requires crawlers and servers, will probably be run by companies or extremely enthusiastic hobbyists.

2) Channels: Curated lists of products seeded by one's own node. Should be easy for average users to make these.

So the questions of will you find illegal goods comes down to:

1) Does your search provider show illegal goods? Probably not unless someone sets up one running as a hidden service.

2) Do you intentionally visit a channel who's owner curates illegal goods. If so, then you'll see them.

I am excited to see how channels roll out. I'm not sure exactly how they work but I hope with them you will be able to start to see the almost mini-networks of businesses that are working with each other, which could lead to a better understanding of how much the platform is being used/growing.
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#9
I'm hoping that I'll be able to use channels to indicate which stores are part of our network, as a sort of reassurance. Networks like that could form easily, where it's not worth the sellers' while to screw up or cheat because then they will be out of the network. Though the third party escrow thing will minimize that.

I thought maybe the network could have standards like stuff has to be sent via recorded delivery. In our case, the channel would have in common that people are supporting a family in the third world (who is not already rich!) but pretty much anything would be cool, like the guilds in the middle ages I guess. And they couldn't take over and force people to join in order to sell, so it's better than the guilds.

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#10
Yeah andy, I think that is a great use of channels and an effective way to filter down to mostly honest vendors.
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